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- | Enchilada part five | ||
- | I had thought about leaving out part five - it being 'the truth' - and some folks can't handle the truth [grin]. But what the heck - if you can't handle it, then you can just ignore the message. Part five is a short discussion on why I justify placing a large part [but not the WHOLE part] of my investing decision based on numbers. | ||
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- | I can accept my numbers being right only 65% of the time and combining metrics of 65% correctness to raise the level of accuracy in their predictions to around 70%. If my gut was only 70% accurate [and if I were using my gut to make decisions], then I would be questioning myself left and right - wondering why I was such a failure - wondering how I could be so smart in 2006 [where investments in ETP and BWP led my portfolio to soundly beat the sector average] and so dumb in 2007 [where my investments in ETP, BWP and PAA caused my MLP portfolio to slightly under-perform the sector average]. | + | ==== Enchilada part five ==== |
- | I can also work hard on getting | + | I had thought about leaving out part five - it being 'the truth' |
- | It is hard to add something to your gut gut without adding weight. [grin] Can you listen to EVEN MORE conference calls? Examples: PAA promises 10% distribution growth, but ETP fails to promise anything. Does that make PAA the better choice? The management of ETP is a bunch of lying jerks [they have told me to call back from a conference call to get data - then stonewalled on giving the expected data], but PAA's management seems to be straight shooters. Does that make PAA the better | + | Having |
- | Going with the gut puts intangible questions like THAT in your mind. I believe you can spin those mental wheels forever | + | I can accept my numbers being right only 65% of the time and combining metrics of 65% correctness to raise the level of accuracy in their predictions to around 70%. If my gut was only 70% accurate [and if I were using my gut to make decisions], then I would be questioning myself left and right - wondering why I was such a failure - wondering how I could be so smart in 2006 [where investments in ETP and BWP led my portfolio to soundly beat the sector average] and so dumb in 2007 [where my investments in ETP, BWP and PAA caused my MLP portfolio to slightly under-perform |
- | At least with numbers - I know to what degree I am changing, if things go wrong. I can add weight to the dividend discount model and cut the weighting | + | I can also work hard on getting the numbers |
- | One can not do similar back-testing on the weighting of ' | + | It is hard to add something to your gut gut without adding weight. [grin] Can you listen to EVEN MORE conference calls? Examples: PAA promises 10% distribution growth, but ETP fails to promise anything. Does that make PAA the better choice? The management |
- | . . . . So that is my thinking - and why I like numeric decisions better than gut decisions. That is why I tend to focus on the numbers. A focus on the numbers is sometimes a focus on the facts. And even when the numbers are not facts [a lot of numbers I use are only opinions], at least they are quantified opinions. And one can do something with a quantity. I can believe that the management at ETP is a bunch of @ssholes - but what does one ' | + | Going with the gut puts intangible questions like THAT in your mind. I believe you can spin those mental wheels forever |
- | So I let the numbers | + | At least with numbers |
+ | One can not do similar back-testing on the weighting of ' | ||
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+ | So that is my thinking - and why I like numeric decisions better than gut decisions. That is why I tend to focus on the numbers. A focus on the numbers is sometimes a focus on the facts. And even when the numbers are not facts [a lot of numbers I use are only opinions], at least they are quantified opinions. And one can do something with a quantity. I can believe that the management at ETP is a bunch of @ssholes - but what does one ' | ||
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+ | So I let the numbers play a large part of my decision process. And this could also be the reason why I still own units in ETP - its the numbers. And it is the reluctance to pay a lot of deferred taxes. | ||
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+ | Enchilada part seven - the very long explanation | ||
+ | ==== The Whole enchilada part seven ==== | ||
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+ | - a fictionalized narrative and an introduction to rocket science | ||
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+ | The other day my neighbor dropped by to ask questions about some of the spreadsheets I had posted on the IV board, and on other spreadsheets done by the brokerages or done by me and not recently shared with the good folks at IV. And he was complaining that 'there are just too many dang numbers. There is [1] EPS - and [2] the trend in EPS growth. There is [3] DCF [distributable cash flow] estimates and [4] DCF growth trends. There are [5] CAGRs - and some of those CAGRs look kinda flakey. There are [6] distributions and [7] trends in distribution growth." | ||
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+ | I looked my neighbor in the eyes and smiled - and told him "Boy, I've got a spreadsheet for you!" What if I could boil down growth into just one number - a number that combines the trends in EPS, DCF and distribution growth? You already know that number - its CAGR. But we are NOT going to use the analyst' | ||
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+ | If you have a forward EPS estimate - then you can use that number to generate a modeled price. | ||
+ | And if you have a forward DCF estimate - then you can use that number to generate a modeled price. | ||
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+ | But why would you want to do that!?!? Are you just creating more balls to juggle? | ||
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+ | No I said. We would be creating three new and different balls - but they are ' | ||
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+ | Let's start with EPS, and take three fictional stocks, all with an EPS estimate of $2.00 per unit. But one has a historical trend of growth of 4%, one of 8%, and one of 10%. Since they all have the same 2008 EPS estimate - should they all be priced the same? | ||
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+ | "Of course not" he said. If they were all priced the same, then people would sell the 4% growing stock, driving down its price over time, and buy the 10% grower, driving up its price. They could start out at the same price, but they would not stay that way for long. I then asked if all three stocks began at the same price and the same yield - then what would happen to the yield as the prices changed. He said the yield on the slow growth stock would rise, and the yield on the high growth stock would fall. My neighbor was quickly catching on. | ||
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+ | OK, right now, the P/E ratios range from 14 to 25. These are real values that real people are placing on real stocks and paying real money. While the average P/E is around 20 - there is no bell curve distribution of P/Es. And that is a bit strange - because there is a bell curve distribution of CAGRs - with the average MLP having an 8 and a range from 4 to 11. So without doing any real math - lets make a guesstimate of what the P/Es for these three stocks should be. | ||
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+ | Well, that simple he said. The 8% grower is an average grower - it should have an average P/E - which is 20. The 4% grower is at the bottom of the CAGR list, so it should have a P/E of 14. The 10% grower is close to but not at the top of the CAGR list - so it should have a P/E of . . . say around 22. I said that sound pretty logical to me. Now let's make a mathematical formula that uses EPS and CAGRs to consistently give a fair ratio to each stock given its CAGR attribute. | ||
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+ | The sum of 11 plus the CAGR would generate a P/E range of 15 to 22. It would generate too high a price for the lower CAGR stocks and perhaps too low a price for the high CAGR stocks. But folks are yield hogs. So if I am going to generate a modeled price, I want to take that fact into account. They will tend to over-value the high yields and under-value the low yielder' | ||
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+ | But, I said, "we are not really making model prices - we are making combo balls." | ||
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+ | BWP's 2008 EPS estimate is $1.92. BWP closed on 1-04 at $31.00 and has a CAGR estimate of 9.0%.\\ | ||
+ | DPM's 2008 EPS estimate is $1.95. DPM closed on 1-04 at $42.32 and has a CAGR estimate of 10.0%.\\ | ||
+ | HLND's 2008 EPS estimate is $2.12. HLND closed on 1-04 at $48.70 and has a CAGR estimate of 10.5%.\\ | ||
+ | KMP's 2008 EPS estimate is $2.05. KMP closed on 1-04 at $55.21 and has a CAGR estimate of 8.0%.\\ | ||
+ | TLP's 2008 EPS estimate is $1.89. TLP closed on 1-04 at $30.50 and has a CAGR estimate of 10.2%.\\ | ||
+ | TPP's 2008 EPS estimate is $2.03. TPP closed on 1-04 at $39.22 and has a CAGR estimate of 4.0%.\\ | ||
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+ | All five have EPS estimates within 6% of $2.00 - but with prices that range from a low of $30.50 to $55.21. That is a low range of variation from the $2.00 EPS estimate - and a very wide range of variation in price. Let's quick do the calculation of a modeled price at a logical P/E ratio and see a different look at the price variations. | ||
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+ | BWP's modeled price is $40.32 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $31.00 - a 40.32% discount.\\ | ||
+ | DPM's modeled price is $42.90 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $42.32 - a 1.37% discount.\\ | ||
+ | HLND's modeled price is $47.70 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $48.70 - a 2.05% premium.\\ | ||
+ | KMP's modeled price is $41.00 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $55.21 - a 25.74% premium.\\ | ||
+ | TLP's modeled price is $41.96 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $30.50 - a 37.57% discount.\\ | ||
+ | TPP's modeled price is $32.48 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $39.22 - a 17.19% premium.\\ | ||
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+ | My neighbor said "Hmmm . . so what?" I told him that we are just getting started. EPS is only one metric or model - and we need more than that to judge the fairness or appropriateness of the current prices | ||
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+ | Using the same process as used with EPS, we created combo balls of CAGRs and DCFs. That produced the following data: | ||
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+ | BWP's modeled price is $33.75 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $31.00 - an 8.87% discount.\\ | ||
+ | DPM's modeled price is $45.72 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $42.32 - an 8.04% discount.\\ | ||
+ | HLND's modeled price is $67.56 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $48.70 - a 38.72% discount.\\ | ||
+ | KMP's modeled price is $50.41 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $55.21 - an 8.69% premium.\\ | ||
+ | TLP's modeled price is $42.48 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $30.50 - a 39.30% discount.\\ | ||
+ | TPP's modeled price is $28.75 vs. a closing on 1-04 of $39.22 - a 26.70% premium.\\ | ||
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+ | Through a different process, we created via the DDM [you will Google that later if you need to] a combo ball of the current distribution and the CAGR. So, my neighbor asked, "what do we do with these model prices?" | ||
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+ | We looked the EPS combo balls first, using the EPS estimates that existed in January of 2007. It would be cheating using the current estimates. | ||
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+ | The following companies had logical P/E valuations that were more than 10% above the 2007 beginning price: \\ | ||
+ | CPNO, ETP, GEL, MMP, MWE, TCLP and WPZ. Their mean price gain for the year is 9.95%. Their mean total return for the year is 15.99% - and 4 of the 7 beat the sector median yearly price gain [3.47%]. | ||
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+ | The following companies had logical P/E valuations of less than 10% above the 2007 beginning price : APL, BPL, BWP, DEP, DPM, EEP, EPD, EROC, HEP, HLND, KMP, NGLS, NS, OKS, PAA, RGNC, SXL, TLP, TPP, EXLP, XTEX, KSP, MMLP, TGP and USS. Their mean price gain for the year is 1.66%. Their mean total return for the year is 8.2% - and 9 of the 25 beat the sector median yearly price gain. | ||
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+ | My neighbor said lets looks at the group with the 10% discount [CPNO, ETP, GEL, MMP, MWE, TCLP and WPZ] - which of those did not beat sector average and why did they not beat the average - if the model is so predictable? | ||
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+ | My neighbor asked: "Are there stories like that to explain why some of the MLPs with lower growth in their modeled prices had better than average years?" | ||
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+ | My neighbor asked: "So what's the point of doing the modeled prices again?" | ||
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+ | The following companies had logical P/E valuations that were more than 10% above the 2006 beginning price: BPL, BWP, CPNO, ETP, HLND, MMP, OKS, PAA, SXL, TCLP and MMLP. Their mean price gain for the year is 35.86%. Their mean total return for the year is 43.28% - and 7 of the 11 beat the sector average yearly price gain [23.14%]. | ||
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+ | The following companies had logical P/E valuations of less than 10% above the 2006 beginning price: APL, EEP, EPD, HEP, KMP, MWE, RGNC, TLP, TPP, VLI, WPZ, XTEX, KSP, TGP and USS. Their mean price gain for the year is 13.82%. Their mean total return for the year is 20.76% - and 3 of the 15 beat the sector average yearly price gain. | ||
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+ | So choosing from the ' | ||
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+ | Now, let's go back and look at the DCF projection for BWP, DPM, KMP, TLP and TPP once again. [Reposting that data] | ||
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+ | BWP's modeled price is $33.75 vs. closing on 1-04 of $31.00 - an 8.87% discount.\\ | ||
+ | DPM's modeled price is $45.72 vs. closing on 1-04 of $42.32 - an 8.04% discount.\\ | ||
+ | HLND's modeled price is $67.56 vs. closing on 1-04 of $48.70 - a 38.72% discount.\\ | ||
+ | KMP's modeled price is $50.41 vs. closing on 1-04 of $55.21 - an 8.69% premium.\\ | ||
+ | TLP's modeled price is $42.48 vs. closing on 1-04 of $30.50 - a 39.30% discount.\\ | ||
+ | TPP's modeled price is $28.75 vs. closing on 1-04 of $39.22 - a 26.70% premium.\\ | ||
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+ | My neighbor asked "so if I were buying an MLP today, the odds are saying that I am better off buying HLND and TLP at their huge valuation discounts to the current price - and I should be reluctant to buy TPP and KMP?" | ||
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+ | I replied that I know that there is noise in the system - so ignore the under and over valuations of less than 10%. The system paints with a very broad brush - so look for the big discounts and the big premiums. The big premium from the modeled price for TPP scares me. The big discounts that one can get from buying HLND and TLP - those really look attractive. BWP and DPM are high growth MLPs - but they are close to fairly priced given what the market is willing to pay for them today. But even my modeled prices takes into account that growth always sells at a discount. The 8% of a premium for KMP is not that big of a premium for a large capped old timer with one heck of a good distribution growth history. KMP sells at a huge premium based on the EPS modeled price. But when the DCF and EPS models vary - it is usually due to the EPS estimates being wrong. | ||
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+ | We switched our focus back to the spreadsheet for all MLPs in the sector. My neighbor asked why I just didn't buy ALL the stocks on the ' | ||
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+ | My neighbor said "OK, so you have only two years of data showing this cock-eyed system works . . . ". I stopped him before he could go on. It is not just two years in one sector. I have tested this on banks and REITs. And this system is consistent - that the menu of stocks selling at a discount to logical valuations outperforms the menu of stocks that sell at a premium. It has worked for four years in REITs [I started testing them first], three years in MLPs, and two years in banks. | ||
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+ | Over time - stocks will hover around their logical values. On any given day, the price could be set by greed and momentum - just look at the prices one could have paid for CPNO or GEL this year. Or look at tech stocks prices at the beginning of 2001. And on any given day, the prices could be set by fear, uncertainty and doubt. Valuations are logical. Valuations are based on the fundamentals. Price modeled valuations are more logical and, in one sense, are more real than real prices. That is because real prices can - and do - lose all touch with reality. | ||
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+ | My neighbor asked why I held stocks in my portfolio like EPD, which was not on the discount menu. I explained that I did not want to churn my portfolio and sell a stock when it dropped from the discount menu. And besides, some of the stocks NOT selling at a discount still had good yields and good growth prospects. | ||
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+ | My neighbor said "OK - enough about history - what are your spreadsheets saying to buy or not buy today, and why?" We looked at two stocks: MWE which the spreadsheets indicate is under-valued, | ||
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+ | MWE has an analyst CAGR of 13.4%. It has averaged 128% EPS growth per year going from 2005 to its 2008 projected EPS. DCF per year growth from actual 2005 to projected 2008 is 19.96%. Actual distribution growth from 2005 to 2007 has been 17%. The 2008 distribution to DCF ratio is 135.91. [Hey - my neighbor said - you did not explain that metric to me. I told him he probably he all the explaining he could handle in one day - and we could talk about that one next week] I believe I am being hyper conservative at giving MWE a CAGR of 11%. The 2008 EPS estimate is $1.60. | ||
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+ | TPP has an analyst CAGR of 5%. It has averaged 5.56% EPS growth per year going from 2005 to its 2008 projected EPS. DCF per year growth from actual 2005 to projected 2008 is 3.60%. Actual distribution growth from 2005 to 2007 has been 1.48%. | ||
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+ | Finally, as the neighbor was leaving, he asked about the predictivity of ratings. | ||
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+ | The following companies were the highest rated MLPs at the start of 2007 - those that had ratings of less than 2.25 at the beginning of the year [a rating of 1=strong buy and 5=strong sell, so lower ratings are better ratings]: APL, BWP, DEP, DPM, ETP, EROC, GEL, HEP, HLND, MMP, MWE, NGLS, RGNC, EXLP, WPZ, TGP and USS. Their mean price gain for the year is 5.37%. Their mean total return for the year is 11.65% - and 8 of the 17 beat the sector average yearly price gain. The following companies had ratings of more than 2.25: BPL, CPNO, EEP, EPD, KMP, NS, OKS, PAA, SXL, TCLP, TLP, TPP, XTEX, KSP and MMLP. Their mean price gain for the year is 1.32%. Their mean total return for the year is 8.06% - and 5 of the 15 beat the sector average yearly price gain. | ||
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+ | So yes, ratings are slightly predictive. But my other metrics are significantly more predictive. So why even look at something that is LESS predictive? | ||
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+ | My neighbor started to ask another question - but I raised my hand and said ENOUGH. I have done all the explaining that I want to do for one day. Maybe you should sum it up by telling me what you learned. | ||
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+ | The combo-balls thing - it's a bit weird, but I get it. Like a P/E or Price/DCF ratio is only half a story. Some MLPs deserve higher ratios due to their projected growth. So a metric like the discount to the price at a logical price/DCF - that tells the whole story. You know that stuff happens and EPS and DCF metrics change. But just because stuff happens, that is no reason to ignore the forecast. You have back tested the metrics, and the MLPs that sell at discounts to their logically modeled prices outperform those that sell at premiums. So if one listens to the story that the numbers are telling you, you can significantly increase the odds of having a winning portfolio. |
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